I just recently got a comment on my post "
ZOMG! Survival of teh fittest!". And holy crap is it a riot. "Michael" said the following:
"Teh" Truth fish eating the Darwin legged fish somehow illustrates evolution? Not sure how you arrived at that illogical crossroads, but all it's very clearly llustrating is that The Truth will always overcome a lie. Sorry you missed that.
I think you might also have missed the irony behind the Darwin legged fish as well. The Darwin legged fish is a perfect example of exactly why logically-thinking people do not accept the notion that living creatures evolved in such a transient(definition 2 in Webster's) manner--nobody has ever found such a transitional form. Oh, and that silly little ol' thing about life springing from non-life ... it's surely been witnessed, right? It hasn't? Oops. "Well, nevermind that. Science will discover the hows and whys eventually," the people chant.
How can we say the Scientific Method is still being used if a theory is embraced and the very thing being theorized cannot be proven even after 150 years of study? Oops again. Politics/big money would never, ever tilt the results of research to fit their agendas, would it? Oops again. Money talks, babe, and crooked scientists are people, too.
Don't ever think people are stupid just because they don't agree with you, all right? That's about as intolerant and egocentric as it gets and I know you're a better man than that."
Well, I've decided to tear ol' Michael to pieces. I mean... he sort of asked for it by posting something so poorly researched and without merit. In addition to destroying his non-arguments and misconceptions, I'll also be poking fun at him. So, without further ado... why Michael is completely wrong:
Point One-Michael Says:
""Teh" Truth fish eating the Darwin legged fish somehow illustrates evolution? Not sure how you arrived at that illogical crossroads, but all it's very clearly llustrating is that The Truth will always overcome a lie. Sorry you missed that."
My Response: Oh you... trying to cut me to the quick with your witty repartee. Having this post start off by accusing me of reaching an "illogical crossroads" is so ripe with irony I can scarcely comprehend it. Obviously the "truth" fish in this scenario is supposed to be more "fit". Otherwise it wouldn't be preying on the Darwin fish. The "truth" fish is being successful at what it does, thereby beating out the Darwin fish. We call that natural selection. Try to stay with me. We can ale it a step further by assuming the two fish to be memes. The ideas fight for dominance in a sort of ideological natural selection. In the creationist mind the "truth" fish is superior, and thus, wins. So it's based on natural selection in two distinct ways.
Point Two-Michael Says:
"I think you might also have missed the irony behind the Darwin legged fish as well. The Darwin legged fish is a perfect example of exactly why logically-thinking people do not accept the notion that living creatures evolved in such a transient(definition 2 in Webster's) manner--nobody has ever found such a transitional form."
My Response: Ah, now we get to the crux of your asinine objection to evolution. Do you know what it is? Give up? You object because you don't know anything about it! Don't despair though, this can be fixed with a little reading. You contend that "logically thinking" people reject the concept of fish evolving terrestrial traits. I have to wonder if you feel this way because of the comical way the Darwin Fish is presented (I think I'll explain just to be safe). Clearly, the plaque is a caricature of a transitional species. No one thinks that a fish sprouted human-like feet.
You seem to be under the mistaken impression that Paleontologists just wander about digging up nothing in particular. To put it simply, there are a great number of known "transitional fossils". In fact, if you'd like to learn more about the real life "Darwin Fish" it's called Tiktaalik and there's a book all about it called "Your Inner Fish". Do yourself a favor and pick it up. If you want to see details on the many other well-researched transitional fossils (and I know a sharp young man like you will) , do please follow this
wikipedia link.
Point Three-
Michael Says:
"Oh, and that silly little ol' thing about life springing from non-life ... it's surely been witnessed, right? It hasn't? Oops. "Well, nevermind that. Science will discover the hows and whys eventually," the people chant."
My Response: It's funny how any discussion of evolution with dim-witted creation advocates comes back to this. The origin of life isn't really all that pertinant to evolutionary theory, but I'll discuss it nonetheless. I hate to break it to you, but biological molecules are fairly well understood at this point. Amino acids (the building blocks of proteins) are ubiquitous and abundant. In fact, spectrographic studies have recently spotted molecules with amino bonds in nebulae thousands of lightyears from Earth.
Protiens are the basis for all life on Earth. And guess what Michael, they can self assemble. Protein function is governed by shape, and shape is governed by low-energy stability. Proteins attain their functional shape automatically. If the right proteins are formed, all the rest can follow. Now stay with me, Michael... similarly, cell membranes self assemble from lipids. Nucleic acids? Yep, same deal. I'm not saying it's likely... but that's not even taking into account the possible catalytic activity of Ribozymes (just google it, I'm too lazy to explain everything to you). Most early nucleic sequences (probably RNA at first) were probably just junk. In billions of years though you get a lot of chances to get it right. But given all the billions of chemical reactions that would occur on a planet without life to stir it up, doesn't it start to look more reasonable even from your (admittedly foolish) point of view?
Point Four-Michael Says:
"How can we say the Scientific Method is still being used if a theory is embraced and the very thing being theorized cannot be proven even after 150 years of study? Oops again. Politics/big money would never, ever tilt the results of research to fit their agendas, would it? Oops again. Money talks, babe, and crooked scientists are people, too."
My Response: You seem to have a simple case of "biased jerk disorder" here. Not much to argue with you about. Maybe this is a case of that old "theory" misunderstanding. A scientific theory is different from a day to day life "theory". In science, if we call something a theory, that means it is strongly supported by the evidence, and experiments showing this are reproducible/repeatable.
I have taken part in research, and I can assure you that the evidence for evolution is real. The genetic and fossil evidence is irrefutable. The only people that really dispute it are those that haven't got the ability to crack a book. See how I just called you dumb in so many words? Just thought I'd point that out so you didn't miss it.
Point Five (wherein Michael tries to make me feel bad, and fails)-Michael Says:
"Don't ever think people are stupid just because they don't agree with you, all right? That's about as intolerant and egocentric as it gets and I know you're a better man than that."
My Response: Well, look at you. That's right, you stand up to the nasty, godless evolutionist. In this case, I do think that people who don't agree with me are stupid. To disagree with me you must ignore scientific knowledge and accept a child-like view of the world. That's stupid. What exactly makes you think I'm "
a better man than that"? What if I feel justified in that point of view? To feel bad about that I'd have to accept the implied assertion that yours is a valid point of view. It's not, and you, my friend, lose.